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Post by agentmulder on Mar 19, 2014 8:49:33 GMT -5
The Obfuscator In Chief implicates himself. There is no evidence? How do we get to that evidence??? This stinks to high heaven and you know it. Everything is rainbows and butterflies in Obamaland... BS Come on now, you know Obama has all his little media outlets ready to save him. He dreams of rainbows and butterflies, but there are none in sight
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Post by montiboys on Mar 19, 2014 9:02:58 GMT -5
The General was set up as a punishment for threatening to tell the truth. If he speaks anymore of the truth he will be assassinated by Bill Clintons boys, The Presidents own hit squad. If I was Obama I would be watching my own back with most of the high ranking military and Secret Service boys really pissed off at me. The military needs to ass stomp these guys and set America back right.
Here is the Secret group exposed that has been enforcing the Presidents of the past and present. They are from every aspect of the services. I would not doubt it that these were some of the clowns that died that day in Libya.
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Post by agentmulder on Mar 19, 2014 9:50:01 GMT -5
The General was set up as a punishment for threatening to tell the truth. If he speaks anymore of the truth he will be assassinated by Bill Clintons boys, The Presidents own hit squad. If I was Obama I would be watching my own back with most of the high ranking military and Secret Service boys really pissed off at me. The military needs to ass stomp these guys and set America back right. Here is the Secret group exposed that has been enforcing the Presidents of the past and present. They are from every aspect of the services. I would not doubt it that these were some of the clowns that died that day in Libya. My children are around and it says it is uncensored, so I will have to view it later. I do worry for anyone who knows what really happened in Banghazi.
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Post by psion on Mar 19, 2014 10:03:42 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be the most obvious assassination in the history of this country? That would spell doom for Obama if he was to go that route.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Mar 19, 2014 10:16:22 GMT -5
There is a lot of good stuff on this thread (the video on page one not included) but I haven't heard a good explanation yet.
For what it is worth, here is my basic theory.
#1. This was a covert USA operation that was supplying arms to the Libyan activists (who we consider to be the good guys here.) It was being lead by Christopher Stephens (of course a CIA operative) under the supervision of CIA Director Petraeus.
#2. The mission backfired horribly. (Think: "Fast and Furious" here. We know this type of thing can happen. We trusted the wrong contacts, or someone double crossed us.)
#3. The main screw up was Petraeus, who was probably "unavailable" at the time of the assault, because he was with his mistress -- just bad timing.
#4. Obama naturally didn't want to make things worse by overriding his main guy for this (Petraeus) and Obama ordered a temporary stand-down until they could find Petraeus. That was a mistake on the part of Obama, for sure.
#5. When they finally found Petraeus, the battle was over. Stephens, and others, were dead. Too late.
#6. Obama can't really talk about it at all even if he wants to, because it is all highly classified. The cover story was that stupid Anti-Muslim film story. A pretty poor cover story that required a lot of work to maintain, and has eventually been abandoned. But what can Obama do? He needs to keep this story quiet for national security. Plus, of course, there is the election....
In summary, there were two big failures here:
The main failure is Petraeus, who is a lot less of a hero than we all thought he was. He was cheating on his wife at the wrong moment in time, out of communication, while his guys were dying for their country in Libya.
Obama's mistake is that he was too far out of the loop to feel comfortable about assuming command for the mission, at that critical time when Petraeus was unavailable. It was a lesser mistake, and somewhat understandable. (Petraeus was running complex operation, and Obama didn't want to muddle things up.)
Everyone said someone needed to be fired for this. I guess that person was Petraeus, and probably for good cause if the above (pure speculation) is actually true. If you look at the info, it all adds up this way to me, including Obama making Petraeus publicly humiliate himself. Obama and others are probably pretty angry at Petraeus -- he had to go.
Is any of the above possible?
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Post by agentmulder on Mar 19, 2014 10:22:17 GMT -5
It could definitely be true. I would assume there are many scenarios. At the end of the day innocent people were killed and lies were rampant.
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Post by navyseals on Mar 19, 2014 11:19:24 GMT -5
It reads like laughably ridiculous pro-Obama fan fiction where you try to pin all the blame on Petraeus.
Do you really think there is ever a time where people don't know where the director of the CIA is and can't get him on the phone? In 2012 it would require a David Copperfield style magic trick to pull it off for a few hours.
Shagging his biographer was probably one of the smoothest 'covert operations' he could possibly have tried to pull off. She had to work with him closely for a relatively long time. He'd be going about his normal routine and she'd be tagging along all the time because of her job. So he didn't have to run off and hide in a submarine near Antarctica so nobody could find him just to have an affair. All he had to do was close and lock his office door so people would have to knock first, or other similar 'undercover maneuvers.'
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The ordinary story, the simplest explanation is the hardest one for Obama fans to believe:
It was Obama's call to make, and he didn't make it and the clock ran out. Shot clock violation.
He didn't want a gunship to mow down a bunch of civilians just before the election. He was concerned about the election impact. He wanted more info. He wanted to be sure. He was exhausted from a long campaign and couldn't make up his mind in the few hours he had to make it.
I think the question of civilian involvement was definitely on his mind because why else insist on civilian involvement in the press for weeks afterward? At the time, he couldn't figure out whether there were or were no a lot of civilians nearby, so later even when he knows there weren't, it was part of his excuse making as he felt guilty over letting his people die and losing an Ambassador.
From what else has come out, it also sounds like they may have had a problem with people butting heads getting in the way of the right thing happening in time.
It sounds like maybe Obama and his people took offense to the military demanding action when the President wanted to wait and see, and got sidetracked with the pissing contest bull# that ensued while the clock was running out. Then it was all over and they began to realize how bad they had screwed up.
When the Masters of the Universe screw up, people want to invent a big crazy reasons why the Masters of the Universe did what they did. They aren't so big and powerful that they can't screw up. They're people and they can screw up just like the rest of us because they ultimately aren't that different.
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Post by missionximpossible on Mar 19, 2014 11:24:49 GMT -5
It reads like laughably ridiculous pro-Obama fan fiction where you try to pin all the blame on Petraeus. Hey buddy. It is just a theory. No need to start getting aggressive. The one thing I can't figure out is why Petraeus would admit to having an affair? What's with that? Why did he feel so compelled to volunteer this dirty little (and unnecessary) info as part of his resignation? The only answer I can think of is that he knew his cheating was going to come out: he was with his mistress during this critical time. Petraeus is doing damage control. Or maybe he is consumed with guilt. Or maybe it was something Obama insisted he say to the world, as a weird type of punishment. As for being able to find the CIA director at all times (as you suggest) -- maybe the government wasn't keeping as close tabs on him as you think they should have been. Maybe they sent a car to his house -- but he wasn't there? I can see it. After all, he's got a mistress. He was sneaking around. Perhaps he wasn't where he was suppose to be. That kind of stuff happens. Perhaps "love" was clouding his decision making process? Anyway, I think you are focusing too hard on Obama as an evil mastermind. It was probably Petraeus at fault, and not so much Obama. That makes more sense to me. We have hard evidence of Petraeus lack of fidelity, but nothing on Obama at this time. It is the only theory I have seen that is realistic and supports all the facts. EDIT: BTW, I agree that Obama is not blameless here. The shot clock ran out, as you say. He probably should have taken some action. He had the ultimate power to do that, but failed.
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Post by iminnocentiswear on Mar 19, 2014 12:40:42 GMT -5
I don't believe for an instant that Petraeus was unavailable. Assume, however, that he was. (And how long would he be unavailable, 5 hours? Not bad for an old guy.) What prevented the dispatch of a Special Forces, or any other military force from flying in there and getting everybody out? Petraeus wasn't needed for that.
Besides, Obama could have called up any of Petraeus' deputies and said "This is the President. Do X, Y, and Z, and don't wait for your boss."
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Post by agentmulder on Mar 19, 2014 12:51:56 GMT -5
Obama said during the presidential debate that it was all his fault in the end. Because he was responsible for his staff. I can't believe he said it, but he did. I also believe it was Obama who screwed up, got scared, couldn't decide, whatever he was thinking it just wasn't quick enough.
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