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Post by networksolutions on Apr 2, 2014 22:00:38 GMT -5
They chose .... poorly.  |
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 2, 2014 22:05:50 GMT -5
Only the penitent man shall pass!
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Post by bond009 on Apr 3, 2014 1:15:28 GMT -5
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Post by hondaxgirl on Apr 3, 2014 1:50:16 GMT -5
Hello all, I don't usually come into this forum section, but I thought this might be interesting all the same. Don't know if it's true or false but let me know. The Full Article Uhm, it should be called KIDDUSH cup, as the KIDDUSH cup was used at Passover (and weddings). This is a pretty cup, but sorry to say, not a Kiddush cup. And no, Jesus didn't drink from this. Sorry, not His. |
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Post by kat on Apr 3, 2014 2:11:09 GMT -5
I've always though it was in Valencia, Spain. Legend has it that Saint Lawrence of Rome, who was from Spain and was the Church treasurer, gave it to his parents for safekeeping in the early third century. He was given three days by the emperor of Rome to turn over all of the Church's possessions. During those three days he gave every material possession that the Church had to the poor and disabled on the streets, asking them to meet him at the main Church where the bishop of Rome said mass at the time when the emperor was coming to collect and warning them of the danger he faced. When the emperor came, Lawrence was standing there with all the disabled and poor who he had given the Church's possessions to and said "These are the treasures of the Church. She is far richer than your entire empire." The emperor was so enraged that he had Lawrence roasted on a huge barbeque that night. The rest of the clergy including the bishop had already been executed three days before. Legend has it that Lawrence showed no pain because he was so happy to die for Christ, and that he said while he was roasting "I'm well done on this side, time to turn me over." The cup in Valencia is dated to the time of Jesus and is the same style and material as many cups that were used in Israel and the surrounding area at the time of Jesus. Not that it really matters where the cup is. There were a lot of churches, towns, and people claiming to have unrealistic relics like pieces of the true cross, the cloth Jesus was wrapped in, the bones of an apostle, etc throughout history.
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Post by maverick on Apr 3, 2014 2:36:34 GMT -5
I just want to jump in and say that yes, it probably is not the cup that Christ used at the last supper, there is no proof that it is, even the people from the article state as much.
But to everyone saying it isn't, well where is the proof that it isn't? Just because some movie says a poor carpenter would not have a fancy cup? Christ knew it was going to be their last supper, he might have had the Owner of the house bring out the best china lol, the owner then afterwards may have kept it (I know I would) and perhaps later had it decorated, or others throughout time added a bit of gold here, some fancy flourishes there etc... Either way, none of us were there, I would love to see the documents myself that describe how the cup came to be and what not, it would certainly make for an interesting read coming from the actual records.
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Post by bonesmason on Apr 3, 2014 3:08:14 GMT -5
It wasn't referring to the movie, it was basing it on what I know about Judaism. I've seen kiddush cups, they aren't that big.
And Jesus didn't prepare for the Seder, He sent Peter to. And the Seder isn't about showing off bling, it's about the Passover. This just smacks of bling that might have been used at a wedding, but certainly not at a Seder.
They might have had very good wine, but that's probably it. Bling for Seder, no.
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