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Post by area51 on Apr 9, 2015 19:44:19 GMT -5
So experiencing something first hand is rumor, speculation and when spoken of is defamation? you people are truly lost, by all means continue on your path of false truths. If you bothered to read my posts with your blinders off, I was not defaming freemasonry, I was saying that EVERY group and organisation in society has a few bad seeds that can and will be corrupted...... guess what, that includes your beloved freemasonry as well. Just because some children light fires doesn't make every child a pyro, get it ?
If you think the masons are immune to infiltration by the dark side, you haven't thought hard enough.
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Post by davinci on Apr 9, 2015 19:58:48 GMT -5
The scape-goat, Azazel/Samael. Have you not read the old testament? The Jews would bring two beasts to sacrifice, one to God and the other was sent into the wilderness to mock the one who sought to place themselves above God. Scapegoat en.wikipedia.org..The Tau symbol and hexagram (Solomon's seal) are all associated with Saturn the planetary body commonly associated with the devil. The hexagram is a play on the Biblical teaching of the salt of the Earth, as salt is a 3 dimensional cube while a hexagram is a 2dimensional representation of a cube. The morning star is also the Sun. Lodges facing the East hailing the rising Sun is clear evidence of the importance of this. You need to fact check before you post. And this hatred towards Bill S is misdirected as he was indeed a 32nd degree mason who was to honored as a knight of freemasonry, clearly he was highly respected until defecting. Also his associations with Mormonism is not that strange as Mormonism was founded by Freemasons. Freemasonry is connected to wicca through the Templar's in Scottland and their association with the 'green man' (as seen in Rosalyn Chapel). Testaments against the Templars (freemasonry's forerunners) showed the Templars to have head effigies in their temples which is heavily associated with Grail legacy. The 1st degree of initiation has a mason-to-be dress up as a heretic would be prior to being burned at the stake during the inquisition, what would be the point of this if not to link the Craft to other interpretations of the Craft? You would know this if you ever read commonly available literature written by Masons such as The Hiram Key or The Temple and the Lodge. Or you could always reference Albert Pike and his declaration that Masons worship Lucifer in Morals and Dogma, or masonry's greatest philosopher, Manly P Hall, who stated that when one masters masonry the seething energies of Lucifer are at their command. I propose that after discussion with several ATS masons and those in the two major metropolis cities of my state that most masons do not know jack S about the history or meaning of their symbols, rituals, or history and so their testimony is not very reliable.
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Post by lastsupper on Apr 11, 2015 9:56:48 GMT -5
So experiencing something first hand is rumor, speculation and when spoken of is defamation? you people are truly lost, by all means continue on your path of false truths. If you bothered to read my posts with your blinders off, I was not defaming freemasonry, I was saying that EVERY group and organisation in society has a few bad seeds that can and will be corrupted...... guess what, that includes your beloved freemasonry as well. Just because some children light fires doesn't make every child a pyro, get it ? If you think the masons are immune to infiltration by the dark side, you haven't thought hard enough. Just to give you a little help here, if you were in the circle with dead cats surrounding you, what you tell would be first hand information. But since you are recounting what some girl you know who may have been sexually abused tells as her fantastic story to you is second hand information. And if you heard it from her brother, it would be third hand. See how that works? Either way, she was pulling your leg or if that did happen, her family should have been turned over to the authorities. Nothing in masonry involves satanic, child molestation, dead cats, or Lucifer related stuff. But great story bro. Everyone loves a good satanic cat story.
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Post by monalisa on Apr 11, 2015 10:09:18 GMT -5
Bill Schelnobelen was and is a fraud. There is no record of him being initiated, passed, or raised in the lodge he claims to have been. I checked myself. I found out that the lodge he claims to have been raised at was absorbed by another lodge. I called the secretary of the new lodge and asked him to check and verify Billy's credentials. I even gave him the dates I got straight from an e-mail from Bill himself. I think Bill was just hoping nobody would ever check, as long as he name dropped correctly. So a fraud he is.
But forget all about that, just look at this and explain how anyone could be part of all these groups at the same time and not be a fraud looking to slander any and all for profit?
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 11, 2015 11:33:31 GMT -5
I already did. If you read the Jewish commentaries on the Book of Genesis, they describe that the Angel wrestling with Jacob is, in fact, Satan. This is just one instance. There are actually 13 specific instances of Satan ("ha-Satan") in the Old Testament. Again, the concept of Satan is Jewish in origin. Judaism preceded Christianity, not the other way around. If the Christians distorted the concept, that's no reflection on the original, intended meaning as used in Jewish tradition. You should be very, very specific as to which "Satan" to which you are referring, because it has different meaning and interpretation to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Ha-satan is not even remotely close to the Christian version of Satan which was codified in the 13th century. In Jewish tradition ha-satan ('the accuser', 'the adversary') is not a proper noun (capitalized) it is a common noun (un-capitilized) and thus does not represent a sentient being, it is a role given by God. It is a position taken by one of Gods minions and is not, as the Christian mythos describes, a being that rivals and challenges God and is irreversibly removed from God's love. In the Old Testament ha-satan is never shown as having any authority other than what God gave it and can not act without God's permission. No, the concept of a fallen angel that rules in Hell was never part of the Jewish religion. Please cite references if you feel otherwise. In Biblical Judaism nothing could be removed from God's grace. There is no concept of 'falling' away from God, God is completely omnipotent and his angels, unlike man, do not have free will. This was God's gift to man and was not shared by the angels. The concept Christian concept of Satan, as borrowed by the Mulims, is nearly the same, this is the one I refer to as it is the only one to refer to.
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 11, 2015 11:35:18 GMT -5
The secrets of the masons and there worship of satan revealed... ------------------------------------------- You really need to learn to cite reputable sources, not someone who claims to be a vampire (among other things).
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 11, 2015 11:39:25 GMT -5
The scape-goat, Azazel/Samael. Have you not read the old testament? There is no concept of a fallen angel ruling in hell in the Old Testament. Did you read it?
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 11, 2015 11:42:09 GMT -5
The Tau symbol and hexagram (Solomon's seal) are all associated with Saturn the planetary body commonly associated with the devil. I would like for you to explain how Solomon could have associated anything with a concept that would not be created for more than a millenia after his death. Who cares about his Scottish Rite Degrees? You can get to the 32nd in a day. Please post the quote. Too bad he wrote this 30 years before becoming a Mason. Do your homework. Says the person who believes Bill, thinks Jews believed in Satan and does not verify his facts prior to posting them.
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Post by montiboys on Apr 17, 2015 2:48:24 GMT -5
If you can't see and understand that they are one and the same, how can you so boastfully state that your "supreme god" isn't it? Don't confuse the "popular" view of Satan with the scriptural view because otherwise you will continue claiming that they are two different 'personas'. He is a liar and murderer from the beginning and both the Hebrew works and gospel of Christ declare this throughout. Insisting that they are not one and the same is just another way of calling the True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a liar. Freemasons, in their big Olylymic production, told those with eyes to see who exactly they worship. Despite the inordinate amount of flames and destruction promised to this world, you still feel the need to appear saintly. As I watched that giant square and compass framing the rising fiery Phoenix, I couldn't help feeling sorrowful that so many former Christian men have betrayed not only themselves as Israel but that they will continue denying Christ Jesus until the bitter end. As you watch the coming destruction of your fellow countrymen, will you still keep up this charade?
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Post by maddog on Apr 17, 2015 2:52:40 GMT -5
Really interesting and thought provoking, maybe the masons simply "believe" in God but don't serve him and instead serve satan, or maybe their beliefs are similar to that of the Yazidis of Mesopotamia who claim to have the oldest religion on earth. Yazidis
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