Apollo 20 Secret Miltary Moon Mission

The mission patch doesn't hold up very well as proof. I can get a unit patch showing that I'm a member of GI Joe, or the 8th Cadian Imperial Guard. I can get full-up 6' banners to show that I'm a member of the Dark Angels chapter of the Space Marines (what ever gave you the idea that I play Warhammer 40K?
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My biggest problems with the whole "Apollo 20" story are ones I've mentioned elsewhere, and I'm still waiting to see them addressed.

1) What happened to Apollo 18? I watched Apollo 17, and supporters of this story claim to have evidence of Apollo 19 and 20. That leaves a not exactly small missing item...an entire Apollo mission.

2) Where did the launch vehicles come from? Saturn V rockets aren't small, in any sense of the word. Fabricating the stages was a huge industrial effort, carried out by multiple contractors in multiple states. Unfortunately for the Apollo 20 story, all of the Saturn Vs are accounted for. Where did the two extras come from? It's not like we could have accidentally slipped in a few extras in the middle of a long production run.

3) How were the stages transported and assembled without anyone knowing? Specialized barges and nearly unique aircraft were used for the "known" Saturn Vs. Those assets weren't available for these 'clandestine' launches.

4) How were 3 Saturn Vs (Apollo 18,19, and 20) launched with nobody noticing? Preparing a Saturn for launch was a 40+ hour process that required unique (and huge) buildings and equipment, several dozen technicians on the pad, and a firing team of around 100. Communications with a lunar mission required thousands of people in a network that panned the globe (not all of it US territory, and all of it vulnerable to intercept by non-US installations)...Saturn V launches were visible for scores of miles in daytime, and would have been more so at night. Somehow, *none* of this activity got noticed by anybody who wasn't part of the cover up?

It just doesn't strike me as possible, never mind reasonable.

There's a difference between launching a secret *payload* into orbit...which happens fairly frequently, and a secret launch (one that's totally unknown by the public). Even a relatively small (compared to a Saturn V) and common launch (something like a Delta, perhaps) will be a very noticed event. The launch itself will be visible (and audible) for literally miles, and the exhaust plume as the rocket climbs will be even more visible...not only from miles away on the ground, but to airline pilots and passengers and civil aviators over most of a state or two.

Air traffic controllers will know about it too...either because the FAA will notify them in advance (the usual method) or because of the sudden flurry of "What was THAT?!" traffic from the aforementioned pilots (in the event of some secret launch).

It's also far from trivial to hide a launch site. Too many very large buildings and fairly distinctive support structures are needed to ship / assemble / preflight / fuel / launch a large rocket.

As for showing the interior of the LM to be fake, I could counter-argue (if I were so inclined) that no one has shown it to be legitimate, either...but that wouldn't really be a productive approach. I'll also confess that I'm having trouble finding decent video or still shots...a lot of the links I hit with a search are broken, or the videos have been removed. Based on what I have been able to see, the LM seems remarkably spacious (there seems to be room for two astronauts and an alien corpse (based on our experience with putting three astronauts in the LM for a return to Earth on the Apollo 13 mission, I'd say that might be doable, if uncomfortable for various reasons), and room to do a certain amount of poking and prodding at the most significant historical find in human history (which seems like a really bad idea, from a scientific point of view). The LM also seems remarkably well lit, compared to images from other Apollo flights

As a sort of a late addendum...I've asked before where we got the spare Saturn Vs to launch these secret moon missions. I could add the LM to the list of "where did we get it?" items. It's not like we made hundreds of LMs, It might be easy to slip an extra item into a production run of several hundred...but in a production run of 20-30, one extra item (particularly a big-ticket item like a Saturn stage or a LM) is going to stand out a bit.

ok - a few std suestions i would like the " commander " to address

1 where were the components of the ` apollo 19 ` built ?

2 how were they transported to the lauch site ?

3 how were they assembled ?

4 what was the exact time / date of lift off ?

My first reaction is that I have some reservations regarding the identity of the man. This is not about technical details, but simply the way he expresses himself.

To explain what I mean, I will quote your own statement:


I am not so sure I agree with you that is someone who knows english very well. I think his english is rather awkward:


I don't believe this was written by someone who has english/american as his first language. What are your thoughts about this? I understand that you as a journalist are protecting his identity, but have you done research based on his name, and if so, have you been able to find any kind of information that confirms this person's identity?