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Post by superxsoldier on Feb 23, 2014 4:50:20 GMT -5
"""WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Pentagon will send hundreds of additional spies overseas as part of an ambitious plan to assemble an espionage network that rivals the CIA in size, U.S. officials said.""" www.star-telegram.com... This second source has a better description of the program. www.washingtonpost.com... I was just shocked when I read this. I had not heard a single whisper of this. At a time when there is a serious money flow issue for the Government this just seems so odd. Basically if I understand this you will have two agencies from the Government doing almost the same thing. They will be competing against each other. In my opinion it will make both the agencies less effective in the long run. Why not just take lets say 3/4 of the cost of doing this vast operation and just spend the money making the CIA more effective. Something about this just so does not make any sense whatsoever. |
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Post by yourpresident on Feb 23, 2014 5:06:38 GMT -5
It's a nice way of sticking out the proverbial tongue to so called 'enemies' of the state.
Either that, or it has something to do with money.
Maybe it's both.
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Post by BlackHawk on Feb 23, 2014 5:13:13 GMT -5
The DIA has been around for a long time. They've just recently realized the advantage to having them around, and not having to rely on the CIA, which is going to scrub and hide information that they might need.
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Post by area51 on Feb 23, 2014 5:27:17 GMT -5
Shocked? Please...............This is quite possibly a response to the Benghazi incident. The military is merely re-establishing their position vis a vis civilian control over their overall resources, particularly in the area of 'intelligence.'
Money as an issue? We mustn't be so naive as to think that there is such a thing. Proof? The debt!
Dollars and cents "money" is for little grunts like you and I - its the medium of exchange for slaves. Some call it street money, which will soon be reduced to barter only.
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Post by Olivia on Feb 23, 2014 5:39:52 GMT -5
We have a gargantuan, oversized government with competing agencies and agendas. The right hand doesn;t know what the left is doing. There has been an increased use of technology for intelligence gathering which supposedly allowed for 9/11 to happen as they missed major clues because of it.
Human intelligence (Humint) can often learn things found no other way. It's a sensible idea only it sounds like one more major expense coming at a time when we're facing budget shortfalls.
We probably have over a dozen different intelligence agencies all told working internationally.
here ya go:
Office of the Director of National Intelligence Independent Agencies
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
United States Department of Defense
Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency (AF ISR)
Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Army Counterintelligence
Army Criminal Investigation Command (Army CID)
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
Marine Corps Intelligence Activity [4]
Intelligence and Security Command (United States Army)[5]
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)
National Security Agency (NSA)
Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI)
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Post by Apollo_18 on Feb 23, 2014 7:30:21 GMT -5
Amen to that, my friend, I was thinking the same thing, I guess the elite government behind the government wants now a personal agency for their own power as the ones we have now can not be trusted
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Post by msapple on Feb 23, 2014 7:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by nsainvader on Feb 23, 2014 8:06:59 GMT -5
considering that the CIA no longer 'owns' the intelligence which made it the premiere spy agency, which seems obvious to me given the resignation of David Patreaus, it makes sense that an entirely new agency would have to be created that owes nothing to the CIA...
it appears that the CIA is just an ordinary government agency now...the intelligence it possesses is useless for providing the guidance policy makers need to do their jobs.
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Post by bond009 on Feb 23, 2014 16:02:21 GMT -5
We have a gargantuan, oversized government with competing agencies and agendas. The right hand doesn;t know what the left is doing. There has been an increased use of technology for intelligence gathering which supposedly allowed for 9/11 to happen as they missed major clues because of it. Human intelligence (Humint) can often learn things found no other way. It's a sensible idea only it sounds like one more major expense coming at a time when we're facing budget shortfalls. We probably have over a dozen different intelligence agencies all told working internationally. here ya go: Office of the Director of National Intelligence Independent Agencies Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) United States Department of Defense Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency (AF ISR) Air Force Office of Special Investigations Army Counterintelligence Army Criminal Investigation Command (Army CID) Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) Marine Corps Intelligence Activity [4] Intelligence and Security Command (United States Army)[5] National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) National Security Agency (NSA) Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) Are you saying (implying) that 9/11 was a successful Al-Qaeda terrorist operation because of confusion on the part of various American intelligence agencies? If so, then are we to assume that you hold to the 9/11 Commissions version of events, which proposes that the deed was accomplished by 19 Arabs w/boxcutters, etc., etc., etc? |
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Post by Olivia on Feb 23, 2014 17:33:27 GMT -5
"""WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Pentagon will send hundreds of additional spies overseas as part of an ambitious plan to assemble an espionage network that rivals the CIA in size, U.S. officials said.""" www.star-telegram.com... This second source has a better description of the program. www.washingtonpost.com... I was just shocked when I read this. I had not heard a single whisper of this. At a time when there is a serious money flow issue for the Government this just seems so odd. Basically if I understand this you will have two agencies from the Government doing almost the same thing. They will be competing against each other. In my opinion it will make both the agencies less effective in the long run. Why not just take lets say 3/4 of the cost of doing this vast operation and just spend the money making the CIA more effective. Something about this just so does not make any sense whatsoever. As far as I can tell, National HUMINT Manager authority is still delegated to the Director of the NCS, so there is no duplication of effort. CIA will continue to coordinate and deconflict HUMINT collection across the IC. DIA officers will probably continue to focus on DOD concerns like enemy strength, disposition, and capabilities, time sensitive targets, etc. CIA has more than enough work collecting everything else. Different agencies have different organizations, goals, and cultures. The CIA is not the DIA, and no matter how effective you make it, it will never be the DIA. Although the DIA is a member of the IC, it is subordinate to and responsive to the Pentagon. The CIA is an independent agency, and the Pentagon can't rely on it to be responsive to their needs. The DIA specializes in defense matters like OB analysis and targeting. The CIA is generalist, and has to address every national HUMINT requirement. The DIA has opportunities for official cover through defense attaches and other military and DOD civilians that the CIA does not. The CIA and the military have had a good working relationship recently, but the CIA can really only handle a few priorities at a time, and all of those have been military/GWOT for ten years. They've tied up too many resources in finding and killing a handful of people in the Middle East, because those were the national priorities, but priorities change. To fulfill its charter, the CIA must remain general enough that it can change with them. What was once a university gone to war, before it slid down to a classified news agency after the Cold War, is devolving into a mere appendant military. This may be a step in reversing that trend, and hopefully restoring something of the Agency's original character. And if you are concerned about the cost, you probably overlooked this: 3/4 of zero is zero, a number which will not significantly increase the effectiveness of the CIA. |
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