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Post by hitman on Mar 10, 2014 11:29:17 GMT -5
It seems Snoden was active with the hacker groups even in china. but it was the Russian hackers who were more after money than info. But there was info Russia was after and snoden has given them what he was able to get but not all of what they wanted because the NSA and FBI got suspicious over his accessing info unrelated to his job and his relationship with the russian hackers.
As I said what has been released to the Guardian was info that was already made public you and I could have goten it for ourselves we just didn't know where to look. It is the info that we are not told about and has not been released that was more dangerous.
The truth is out there to quote Xfiles.
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Post by redsoxfan on Mar 10, 2014 11:51:06 GMT -5
In reality Snoden worked for himself. It was all about money whether from Russia for sensitive info (a spy for them) or sharing in the profits of the russian hackers, it was all about what was in it for him. And when he was about to get caught he ran and then released "released info" to take the publics eyes off of the truth of his activities and put them on the activities of the NSA.
The NSA does what it does.
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Post by hitman on Mar 10, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -5
read my first post here Snoden leak Documents for why the NSA did what it did as to what was already NSA released documents released by Snoden.
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Post by silencer on Mar 10, 2014 12:58:46 GMT -5
I would worry for any citizen, not just citizens of the United States, who becomes complacent and puts all their faith in their government. If you ever worked in government, you would realize there is a lot of political abuse behind the scenes, excessive waste and criminal activity that the public never sees. Gaining POWER over people causes people to think they can do things without being accountable for their actions. Simple case in point, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. We can add numerous political figures to this list including the current administration.
The government has systems in place to keep criminal activites and whistle blowers from seeing the light of day. Labeling everything "secret" is one way, threats, and the FISA court are just a few of the ways they keep government abuse under wraps.
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Post by TheMarkFrost on Mar 10, 2014 13:08:25 GMT -5
Can someone please link me to the bit where is says the monitor all those calls (log) across America...Germany...Spain...France....UK.... and their text logs, the mass collection of data from different companies because I cant seem to find it on their site.
I got stuck on their info on the JFK assassination. My small mind cant handle too much info at once
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Post by hitman on Mar 10, 2014 13:28:37 GMT -5
I am not in any way placing my trust fully in govt nor am i advocating that.
There is abuse in any organization and corporations.
Ever work in the restaurant industry?
Do you know how much criminal activity happens at restaurants and nighclubs via its employees?
At restaurants and clubs a lot of illegal drugs and guns are sold, prostitution is promoted, and underage drinking is allowed. So see it is everywhere not just govts.
My point here is that Snoden like any employee at any business used it for his criminal activity. When it came close to his being caught for it, he made it look as if he was doing America a favor and that he is some what a saint, but the info he released (and the MSM not letting you know) was already made public before he made it public.
So what is up with that?
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Post by silencer on Mar 10, 2014 13:44:33 GMT -5
Good points to ponder, OP. Frankly, at this point, I think if little Eddie Snowden as more Russian than American anyway. A Russian Agent? meh... Maybe... Or maybe just ran into the arms of Putin in convenience. It's hard to say, IMO. He's definitely not Russian in a real sense ...but then Russia has turned and burned a number of Americans over the decades who weren't Russian in anything but loyalties.
I know for all the B.S., nothing much has been released for all his noise, other than what we knew to be the truth already. We may not have had large portions of it outright confirmed, but things like the abuses of the FISA Court were plot features on Law and Order long before he said anything. I didn't know many of the code names, but I'm not sure that added a whole lot to the overall body of knowledge here. What has NOT been released would fill libraries......but I have little doubt it's part of what bought him a new life in the Russian Federation.
I do hope Snowden enjoys his new Russian lifestyle...and stays there. Forever. Unless he really, radically changes? He's nothing but a U.S. Intelligence professional with at least 6 years combined between NSA and CIA employment and he went bad. Flipped like a rotten pancake.
It's a shame no one even recognizes a defection when they see one. These used to happen often enough for Russian agents coming to the West. Now it's an American officer defecting to the Russians. Nothing much different, really...just what direction the agent in question runs and who is there to give hugs.
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Post by ciathug on Mar 10, 2014 13:59:03 GMT -5
I agree. I mean, let's face it: Snowden is all over Big Media. Thanks to him Anti-Americanism is on a rise inside US itself. One can't ignore that Snowden acts alot like fifth column.
Seems to me that Russians have nothing to lose by attacking the US's National Security. What more, the Russians don't even have to shoot one bullet - all they have to do is leak classified or even fake documents to american medias, and encourage the outraged, "awakened" American people itself (no need to send Russain army!) to carry out the coup d'état themselves. In other words, Snowden and his Russians pals seems to be turning the people into their own little pro-marxist army. It would be a major intelligence deed for the russians.
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Post by ciathug on Mar 10, 2014 13:59:21 GMT -5
There is abuses all over the world. The question is, why are they focusing our attention on the US alone? What is it they want us to ignore?
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Post by flipthecoin on Mar 11, 2014 5:46:57 GMT -5
Let's play a game called Occam's Razor. The rules are simple, I'm going to give you some possible explanations for what Snowden (by the way Snowden is spelled with a W) is and we get to decide on the most likely scenario.
1. Snowden is a Russian spy who was compromised and caused Russia to bail him out with his data. 2. Snowden is a Russian spy who collected the data he was supposed to get and bailed. 3. Snowden is a national hero and the MSM and government are making up a smear campaign to discredit him. 4. Snowden is a greedy sob and is in it for his own profit.
1 and 2 seem unlikely in that Snowden had no clue where he would go once he left the country. He released a bunch of information to the public as well and not just to Russia. Does Russia even have the data stick that Snowden stole? I was under the impression it was at The Guardian. Seems like as a spy, it would be counterproductive to release the information he was gathering.
4 is also unlikely in that he pissed off the most powerful country in the world. Even if he could profit off of the money, where would he spend it?
The answer is most likely 3 and you are buying into the government's propaganda. Snowden is most definitely a national hero.
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