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Post by augustusmasonicus on Mar 11, 2014 14:43:33 GMT -5
That's right - and you've certainly failed to provide it. You've told us a lot of stuff which you've clearly just made up.
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Post by msapple on Mar 11, 2014 14:51:04 GMT -5
I've been saying this since day one. It would make the most sense.
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Post by hitman on Mar 11, 2014 20:34:36 GMT -5
Baaaah! Baaah!
I here the bleating of the MSM sheep
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Post by lucky4u on Mar 11, 2014 20:51:09 GMT -5
I never really pondered the possibility before now, although espionage in general is something I am interested in as a research topic. Obviously you don't have to be from Russia, or a Russian citizen, to work for their intelligence agencies. In fact, some of the most successful Russian spies have been American citizens, who had never been to Russia, and who had never talked to Russian intelligence until they were ready to sell state secrets. That could have happened in this case.
But I will say that history shows us that if the spy was sent from Russia to a foreign country for the sole purpose of gathering secrets and intelligence, Russia would be more apt to want to get them back, mainly for propaganda purposes. But that was when the Soviet Union was still together, and things have changed since then.
Obviously if this were the case, Russia would not have wanted him discovered. But I believe that that US intelligence forced his hand, and that may be why he came out and said this was all some moral crusade. That could be a total lie just to garner public sympathy, when in fact he had been selling other secrets all along. I am not saying this is for sure, but it is possible.
I don't think he was sent by Russia for the express purpose of being a spy. I would think that he was either approached by a handler, or he contacted Russian intelligence himself, offering to sell secrets. In today's political sphere Russia would not want to admit such a thing, and this could be why they acted the way they did when he wanted to go to Russia. They obviously wouldn't have welcomed him as a hero, or admitted that he was a Russian spy, because of the political implications. The Soviet regime would sometimes do this, but it is rarer today.
Personally here is what I believe. I believe that Snowden was attempting to sell the information that he had, nobody wanted to buy it, and he got caught. This is when he said that he wanted to expose the corruption of the US government, and that was simply a tactic to hopefully lessen the backlash. I also think it is possible that some country was interested in purchasing his information, but somehow they realized that Snowden would soon be caught, and they didn't want to be holding the bag when that happened.
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Post by hitman on Mar 11, 2014 20:59:02 GMT -5
I would agree with that and add that Snowden was a seasoned hacker. what started out gleaning bank card numbers and password along with other personal ID info morphed into selling national secrets but as you said the govt pushed his hand so he grabbed what he could most of which was accessible to anyone but instead of requesting it he hacked into it and took it without proper procedure.
He is just a 2 bit criminal who turned to espionage to get more money and failed. I believe he either was approached or he approached someone. But in the end he figured a way to make himself out the hero by claiming to expose the govt fro spying. But gathering metadata for analysis is hardly spying on EVERYONE. It may have a lot of peoples stuff in metadata but even that needed to be gone filtered through because it was terabites of info.
BTW, Snowden is offered amnesty on only what the MSM and Guardian have. The criminal charges of bank card and Identity theft will not be affected by the amnesty the NSA offers.
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Post by hotandspicy on Mar 11, 2014 21:10:13 GMT -5
Maybe...
Most likely a CIA mole with a fake back history. A "no-name".
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Post by yourpresident on Mar 11, 2014 21:21:49 GMT -5
Maybe... Most likely a CIA mole with a fake back history. A "no-name". Like our current President. Hmmm, makes sense.
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Post by superxsoldier on Mar 11, 2014 21:30:48 GMT -5
It seems that the US are the 'brains' behind the whole operation. But many countries have all been linked to sharing PRISM data etc. It seems unlikely that the UK gov. for instance would be completely ignorant to it as they are trying to portray.
Living in the UK, the majority of the media coverage is about what crimes Snowden may have committed through the leak or is he a traitor/hero etc. Rather than actually focus on the content of the leaks and the disingenuous, fascist behavior of GHCQ/NSA.
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Post by hitman on Mar 12, 2014 7:58:31 GMT -5
If it was just to reveal info to the people no need to run. Most of the info if not all of it can be had by requesting it through the FOIA accessible from the NSA site. All he did was access the info without properly requesting it and that is a criminal act of theft in and of itself. The NSA lawyers are closed mouth about the array of criminal charges. While they agree to give him amnesty on the espionage charges there are an array of FBI charges of theft of Personal identity and bank account info he had been pilfering for the NSA meta-data he was hired to monitor. those charges have no amnesty.
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Post by pimpsmackyou on Mar 12, 2014 8:08:05 GMT -5
A fair point if that is true. But even so, if people do not know it is happening how can request info on it? All he did was bring it to the attention of the masses. No one could have predicted the scale of the entire operation either. Several countries involved. Many who are involved,yet are also being spied on secretly under the same program by the US and UK.
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