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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 2, 2015 18:27:19 GMT -5
Ignoring the obvious mistranslation of St. Jerome's 4th and 5th century conversions of the Vetus Latina and the Hebrew Bible and the subsequent misuses by Milton and Aligiehri the knowledgeable person will conclude that the word Lucifer does not refer to Satan but the planet Venus.
All regular Masons are required to have a belief in a Supreme Being, i.e. God, and the planet Venus, whom the Romans refered to as Lucifer, certainly does not qualify.
Neither does Satan, who besides being a purely Christian concept, cannot, in the historical context, be considered a 'Supreme Being'. The historical Satan of Christian mythos was created by God and is therefore subordinate to God and defacto, not 'Supreme'. Letting common sense prevail the intelligent contemplator of this topic would realize that there can only be one Supreme Being if one deigns to believe in such; only one ominscient, ominpotent and omnipresent creator of the Universe. To imply that Satan (Lucifer) is somehow on par with God is to argue that God is neither all-powerful nor supreme.
This would imply a situation where God is neither omnipotent nor unique and not worthy of the respect and adoration due to God by every Mason. It therefore becomes quite obvious why any Mason obligated to believe in God would not and could not call God by the name Lucifer or Satan.
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Post by BlackHawk on Apr 2, 2015 18:35:20 GMT -5
I won't pretend to know everything (even though I do... lol jk) but breaking kittens knecks and placing them around children who are sat in the middle of a pentagram lit with candles sure does not seem like the work of holy men. Every masonic family might not do this type of thing, but the girl I met sure had it done to her in her childhood and it bred nothing but darkness in her heart, cutting her off from the light. Oh I forgot to mention the molestation she talked about as well, I'm sure they were worshiping Jesus lol.
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Post by msapple on Apr 2, 2015 18:45:41 GMT -5
i kinda got what you said haha..
but i just wanted to add this, from my point of view... in our world, what the religions think is god, is basically, the devil, who has tricked all of mankind to think he is our god, and our creator, so that we do not know or believe in the TRUE god....
so masons, and the religions think they believe in god, and want to, but at the same time, they believe in the wrong god, and they worship the wrong god.... they are misled. as i think it has been for most of mindkind..... and isnt that what the devils, or satans , or whatever you want to call it, goal is?...
and so the true god is just believing you believe in what you think is the real god, and loving what you feel is the real god.. not being pushed into worshipping him..
now im just kinda rammbling, but thats my 2 cents in it haha
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 2, 2015 18:56:33 GMT -5
I won't pretend to know everything (even though I do... lol jk) but breaking kittens knecks and placing them around children who are sat in the middle of a pentagram lit with candles sure does not seem like the work of holy men. Every masonic family might not do this type of thing, but the girl I met sure had it done to her in her childhood and it bred nothing but darkness in her heart, cutting her off from the light. Oh I forgot to mention the molestation she talked about as well, I'm sure they were worshiping Jesus lol. Let me see if I understand. Some girl told you that she sat in the middle of a candlelit pentagram surrounded by throttled kittens and you found this pefectly reasonable to believe, why?
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 2, 2015 19:11:44 GMT -5
so masons, and the religions think they believe in god, and want to, but at the same time, they believe in the wrong god, and they worship the wrong god.... they are misled. as i think it has been for most of mindkind..... and isnt that what the devils, or satans , or whatever you want to call it, goal is?... Since the Devil or Satan or whatever you decide to call him is purely a New Testament concept created by Christians how is it that everyone throughout history somehow fell into this ridiculous pardigm that did not exist for most of history?
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Post by hitman on Apr 2, 2015 19:39:46 GMT -5
I believed it because I stuck around that family long enough to see that it was most likely true. Sure it might have all been made up nonsense but I have never experienced a darker more tainted situation than when I was involved with those people. I am not even religious but after that whole mess I am much more open to what may or may not exist.
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 2, 2015 19:46:38 GMT -5
I believed it because I stuck around that family long enough to see that it was most likely true. Sure it might have all been made up nonsense but I have never experienced a darker more tainted situation than when I was involved with those people. I am not even religious but after that whole mess I am much more open to what may or may not exist. So they more believable answer is; Masons stuck your friend in the middle of a pentagram surrounded by dead cats and molested her and it appears true because her family is screwed up or Masons do not worship something they do not believe in and her family is screwed up because, well, they are screwed up. Believe what you want, I do, and it is not in Lucifer.
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Post by girlxkiller on Apr 2, 2015 20:11:04 GMT -5
I don't know a lot about the masons. Isn't it a common practice when inscribing dates onto stones that they us A.D and A.L? A.L being Anno Lucis?
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Post by Apollo_18 on Apr 6, 2015 14:01:39 GMT -5
Screwed up is not the term for that family, I have my reasons to believe they were deeply involved in the occult, they tried to use it on me, had me gaslighted, call it what you want witchcraft ? satanic ? all I know is that it spooked the hell out of me and it was draining my soul. She was incapable of loving even her own children and her only strength was to turn everyone around her against each other in order to be in control. Now to me,if there ever was an evil force in this world, it would work in these ways. I'm not blaming masons, but every part of society, every group has the potential for corruption in some of their ranks, not just masons.
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 6, 2015 14:18:59 GMT -5
I don't know a lot about the masons. Isn't it a common practice when inscribing dates onto stones that they us A.D and A.L? A.L being Anno Lucis? And what does that have to do with Satan?
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