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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 9, 2015 17:09:56 GMT -5
I bring it up because I experienced it first hand, and there is a possibility that SOME masons do worship Lucifer, Satan, ( the name doesn't matter, their actions do ). I wasn't trying to offend you, just putting another perspective here. Then they would not be considered Masons owing to the fact that they lied when applying for membership as by the definition I gave you Lucifer is not supreme and cannot be thought of as a Supreme Being. |
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Post by Apollo_18 on Apr 9, 2015 17:20:35 GMT -5
That is all i wanted an agreement on..... and i hope every other person can agree with this..
and frankly... i dont think any other thing is important to be touched upon other than knowin to love the true god, and in trusting that he will make everything ok..
because us talking about what we feel satan is, or what the devil or is what masonic teachings really are for, or even the political talk, and also about what you are going to do today, or all the subjects that can be talked about! any of that load of gibberish.. it truly is not worth any of our time as mankind, but we are still stuck on thinking and talking about it all....
the truth is that we ALL, need to focus on loving and trusting god, and theres a gut feeling in me that is telling me times are going to change and in this near future, more than ever before for our mindkind, do we need to start focusing on loving GOD, and trusting GOD.. and not to worry how things are going to turn out! because it will all be fine, and this devil, or evil that is out there, whatever you want to believe it is.... is not going to be apart of our lives! non of it!...
unless you want it to be.. in that case.. im sorry hahaha
but yeah.... are there any disagreements on this post of mine?
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 9, 2015 17:39:01 GMT -5
That is all i wanted an agreement on..... and i hope every other person can agree with this.. and frankly... i dont think any other thing is important to be touched upon other than knowin to love the true god, and in trusting that he will make everything ok.. because us talking about what we feel satan is, or what the devil or is what masonic teachings really are for, or even the political talk, and also about what you are going to do today, or all the subjects that can be talked about! any of that load of gibberish.. it truly is not worth any of our time as mankind, but we are still stuck on thinking and talking about it all.... the truth is that we ALL, need to focus on loving and trusting god, and theres a gut feeling in me that is telling me times are going to change and in this near future, more than ever before for our mindkind, do we need to start focusing on loving GOD, and trusting GOD.. and not to worry how things are going to turn out! because it will all be fine, and this devil, or evil that is out there, whatever you want to believe it is.... is not going to be apart of our lives! non of it!... unless you want it to be.. in that case.. im sorry hahaha but yeah.... are there any disagreements on this post of mine? Time are always changing, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Change is unavoidable, change is good, change brings challenges and surmounting challenges is one of the best attributes of the human race. |
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Post by niggerhaterz on Apr 9, 2015 18:07:50 GMT -5
Ignoring the obvious mistranslation of St. Jerome's 4th and 5th century conversions of the Vetus Latina and the Hebrew Bible and the subsequent misuses by Milton and Aligiehri the knowledgeable person will conclude that the word Lucifer does not refer to Satan but the planet Venus. All regular Masons are required to have a belief in a Supreme Being, i.e. God, and the planet Venus, whom the Romans refered to as Lucifer, certainly does not qualify. Neither does Satan, who besides being a purely Christian concept, cannot, in the historical context, be considered a 'Supreme Being'. The historical Satan of Christian mythos was created by God and is therefore subordinate to God and defacto, not 'Supreme'. Letting common sense prevail the intelligent contemplator of this topic would realize that there can only be one Supreme Being if one deigns to believe in such; only one ominscient, ominpotent and omnipresent creator of the Universe. To imply that Satan (Lucifer) is somehow on par with God is to argue that God is neither all-powerful nor supreme. This would imply a situation where God is neither omnipotent nor unique and not worthy of the respect and adoration due to God by every Mason. It therefore becomes quite obvious why any Mason obligated to believe in God would not and could not call God by the name Lucifer or Satan. I do not agree with you, Brother. God, and his definition, is subjective to the individual...not to ancient writings and concepts. I believe in the Great Architect of the Universe...but not by your definition of God. |
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 9, 2015 18:26:06 GMT -5
Exactly my point, God is eternal, Lucifer (and Satan) is a manufactured creation of the Christian era. |
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Post by paranormalskits on Apr 9, 2015 18:40:08 GMT -5
Ignoring the obvious mistranslation of St. Jerome's 4th and 5th century conversions of the Vetus Latina and the Hebrew Bible and the subsequent misuses by Milton and Aligiehri the knowledgeable person will conclude that the word Lucifer does not refer to Satan but the planet Venus. All regular Masons are required to have a belief in a Supreme Being, i.e. God, and the planet Venus, whom the Romans refered to as Lucifer, certainly does not qualify. Neither does Satan, who besides being a purely Christian concept, cannot, in the historical context, be considered a 'Supreme Being'. The historical Satan of Christian mythos was created by God and is therefore subordinate to God and defacto, not 'Supreme'. Letting common sense prevail the intelligent contemplator of this topic would realize that there can only be one Supreme Being if one deigns to believe in such; only one ominscient, ominpotent and omnipresent creator of the Universe. To imply that Satan (Lucifer) is somehow on par with God is to argue that God is neither all-powerful nor supreme. This would imply a situation where God is neither omnipotent nor unique and not worthy of the respect and adoration due to God by every Mason. It therefore becomes quite obvious why any Mason obligated to believe in God would not and could not call God by the name Lucifer or Satan. you are right!..... change is happening right in front of our face....right now, nothing is ever the same.. and i always take it as for the better... even in dark times.. there must be someone to see the light in it all ,ya know? but what i meant by change... is that its not going to just be a physical change... but a spiritual change.. in my humble opinion.... but you are right.. nothing is going to stop for us... my belief is that even when we think its all over.. when were finished with our physical reality.. when were by the side of GOD, there are still going to be beings in the place that we are in now. but who knows.. its all so interesting isnt it! haha |
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Post by augustusmasonicus on Apr 9, 2015 18:56:59 GMT -5
From a Latin Proverb: Honores mutant mores. Translation: "Honor changes behavior" Thanks for the thread and for taking the time to offer what few could communicate in such a brief, but such concise manner. Truly refreshing to come across. Thanks again. I am glad you appreciated it, thank you. |
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 9, 2015 19:11:35 GMT -5
I already did. If you read the Jewish commentaries on the Book of Genesis, they describe that the Angel wrestling with Jacob is, in fact, Satan. This is just one instance. There are actually 13 specific instances of Satan ("ha-Satan") in the Old Testament.
Again, the concept of Satan is Jewish in origin. Judaism preceded Christianity, not the other way around. If the Christians distorted the concept, that's no reflection on the original, intended meaning as used in Jewish tradition. You should be very, very specific as to which "Satan" to which you are referring, because it has different meaning and interpretation to Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
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Post by silencer on Apr 9, 2015 19:24:59 GMT -5
The secrets of the masons and there worship of satan revealed...
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59:55 - Worship bail?
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Mah Ha Bone.... What the builder ........... ohhhhhh scaryyyyyy
I'm just gonna leave it at that. Let people make up there own minds ha ha
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Post by illuminati on Apr 9, 2015 19:34:16 GMT -5
And this has little to no relevance to Freemasonry. It is only rumor, speculation, and defamation.
How can anyone say what god another beliefs in? How do you know that I believe in the "wrong god"?
So what a family does is not indicative of Freemasonry.
Lucis = Light
Anno Lucis = Year of Light
No, Lucifer is Latin for "light-bearer". Nowhere in Freemasonry though does any ritual say that we follow Lucifer. Bill Schnoebelen is a liar and a deceiver who fabricated his own Masonic resume so he could build some kind of credibility among the religiously intolerant to slander the Freemasons.
If you believe a man like this, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Those who listen to men like him deserve to be misled. During all the videos, he put out misleading or false information. I mean the guy and the hostess just completely fabricated a great deal.
At 59:55, he talks of "Baal" not "bail". There is no truth behind this claim either. Nor does he know anything of Baal and its references in the Bible.
I love he tries to pass himself off as an expert who pierced the "inner circles" of Freemasonry. He tries to use vague, general statistics, and yet he'd be hard-pressed to prove anything...including his Masonic membership. Child molestation is not something perpetuated by Freemasonry or the mythical Illuminati. The religiously intolerant and insecure will make whatever up to suit their agenda.
Billy knows about as much of Freemasonry, as he does spirituality, the Christian religion, and ancient history...absolutely nothing.
In the 3rd video, at 5:10, what is wrong with having a star in the middle of the Square & Compasses? Is the star or the number 5 not relevant to Christianity? At 8:00, I attend Lodge because I enjoy the Fellowship as well as the ritual and the history of Freemasonry.
I love how this guy says that so many terms are "Masonic". "Oriented" is not a Masonic term, to believe this is to be ignorant of the etymology of the term. At 21:00, the Masonic Lodge is oriented in imitation of King Solomon's Temple. Our entrance is in the West as it would have been with King Solomon's Temple. I do love how he tries to twist everything.
I don't know why anyone would have freaked out if a candidate said beer in the Lodge, in reality we'd probably have laughed. We do have a sense of humor (we have to to deal with the stupidity that is sometimes thrown at us by anti's).
At 1:33:00, so liberty and reason are exclusive and different? One can be reasonable (rational) and be a man of Faith. This guy is a Grade A moron. Again, he knows nothing of Templar history (or facts) or history in general.
As to the last video:
What a fascinating piece of fiction that has been cut-up and edited. Whoever authored this video cropped it so much as to manipulate information. Deceitful. Janet Wintermute is a member of a clandestine, irregular body of "Freemasonry" and she is entitled to her beliefs, but her beliefs do not constitute fact or policy of Freemasonry worldwide. Calvi and the whole P2 Lodge is irregular, clandestine, fake "freemasonry". P2 lost their charter in the 70s from the Grand Orient, which itself was not recognized until the 90s. P2 was not Freemasonry. They were a corrupt group of men not involved in the values and teachings of Freemasonry.
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