CIA Torturers Hide Report, But That's Not The Worst Part

What on Earth ever caused you to think we're better than animals? We are animals. Higher order intelligence, yes. Crafty and clever to have mastered tool making where our primate cousins are still using one time tools and making new ones every time. Yet, we are what we are.

I find these discussions interesting because it's among the few philosophical areas average people really get into debates with. Most things under that heading are so academic in my experience, even academics play along at times.

It's especially interesting to see the absolute statements made of never and absolutely not. I'm always curious what we're each imagining with the term torture and I'll bet that varies by quite a wide margin. For example.....



I think that was one of Denzel's better performances in meaning if not all ways. I agree entirely with what his character says in that scene, and most definitely under the circumstances I recall so well from having seen the movie a few times. It's a fishing expedition on a strong hunch, and the guy ends up being innocent anyway....after being tortured to death and shot. I fear scenes like that may have taken place and more than once since these wars began. That would be an example of evil. Evil actions, even if men aren't so, themselves.

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Getting back to the idea of never as a REALLY big word to use in this topic...what if it's not a fishing trip or hunt for evidence? What if we can put faces...and very specific ones to it.

How about they capture a combatant and within the car, a meter pegs the red lines for gamma radiation in the now empty trunk. How about, to add to the scene, there are other signatures not quite as well known for absolutely confirming the presence of a sophisticated nuclear core, likely within a weapon, and it had been there very recently? Now....figure the capture is in a major city. US...European..doesn't matter.

Now, far from professing ignorance and innocence....your capture is smirking and telling you to go look up minimum safe distances you're not quite in yet and then laughs a bit while telling you to get him an attorney and a deal to learn more...very quickly.

Tell me...what do you do? What should society permit be done, vs. what men WILL do anyway and then be put down for as a violation of law while doing it, later? This is where anything outside the absolute of no, I believe, would require a Court review and approval, on the record. These ought to be so rare, write the law so it's no less than the Super's themselves and they *MUST* drop whatever they are doing and teleconference if necessary, to determine the request.

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Take one last example...and it's a hard one, but this is a hard topic and it's a damn hard world where straight blacks and whites of morality rarely fit outside theory. Lets say you're a parent. The worst happens and your small child is abducted. They guy is captured and come to find out, is someone with a history of violence that shouldn't have been out, and has made it clear....his freedom for your kid's life. He walks...or they die and his history shows he honestly doesn't care either way for how it turns out. Lets even say he's a smart criminal, understands things like Proof of Life, and no one doubts the child is still alive but won't be, indefinitely.

What do you do? What should society allow and again, if cops or others do what it takes to recover the child ANYWAY, how far should it be taken in ending their productive lives for the actions?

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Nothing in life is ever 100% black and white, IMO. Even this. Some things get VERY close......but this doesn't. It's just exceptionally dangerous to handle poorly both for individuals and ultimately, for society as I see it.

That document also sets the duties of the Federal Government, as I've read it a few times, actually. It's chief duty is the collective defense of the nation and us...the people.

In very rare instances, that duty and absolute will also conflict with another absolute in the form of the Bill of Rights. They are both solemn and absolute in meaning and seriousness of intent. One WILL be sacrificed in a true ticking time bomb scenario (the nuke). Which one is acceptable to sacrifice?

It may sound like the same question as the movie clip, but it isn't. The circumstances and nature of what I'd say MUST be a chain of approval through the top national command authority, to the courts...all on the record and available later is one of a couple things to set it apart. Really, the main thing though is the total removal of decision for it being done at the field level or even command level. That's a National leadership issue..and let both the President and Supreme Court stand behind it if done ...because if it ever needs done? It REALLY NEEDS done. Unfortunately now...we have no clear process, so they mickey mouse who does, who doesn't and how it's defined. Like many nations in the world.

Yes, they are. They're also broken. Regularly. In some nations, by national or federal level and in others, more at the street cop level (and I don't mean America in that sense)

I simply don't see the black/white absolutes here. Too many personal experiences in life (and I don't mean to THIS topic..as a specific reference..lol) have shown me how wrong taking absolute positions can be. They can be downright harmful to others too.

Again....when we face one of those rare situations? Defense of the United States of America and Due Process Rights will conflict. One will be sacrificed. Absolutely. They will, in rare instances, be mutually exclusive concepts for the given situation. Do we want accountability, do we not want it or do we want to pretend it hasn't been happening since a caveman beat the location of a good hunting spot out of another caveman?

Like all cancers to a democratic society...such as torture....they always spread.

Our Federal Government has been for many Years.
Operating on the Backs of the American people.
The ones with COMMON SENSE.
Our People in Washington D.C.
Have Absolutely No COMMON SENSE.
When We The People Are Taken Out Of Our Government.
ALL COMMON SENSE IS OBLITERATED

Long Live The KING

We Are Now The Peasents and Have Been For Sometime.

THE GREAT FALL WILL COME
BE WATCHFUL BE VIGLIANT
DOWNFALL IS ON IT WAY.