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Post by preciouswaterlily on Mar 24, 2014 11:36:18 GMT -5
What's so hard to believe about that? We are talk'in God stuff here right ? I thought we were talking about historical truth and biblical mythology.
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Post by specopsgirls on Mar 24, 2014 12:08:22 GMT -5
I thought you weren't here to participate in the thread. Couldn't help yourself ?? Just had to, eh??
There is a severe lack of evidence that Abraham existed. The Abraham story wasn't written down until 1500 years later. Three major world religions have Abraham as their 'father in religion'.
I find it odd that so much is based on a story that can't be proven ... and that much of it can be disproven.
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Post by holygrail on Mar 24, 2014 12:35:11 GMT -5
The problem with the first and last options is that Jesus referred to Abraham on a number of occasions, so he most likely did cite some person named Abraham whom Jesus existed before and who was in Sheol in the company of the righteous. The problem with just arbitrarily dismissing parts of the Hebrew Bible as being complete fabrications is that there is a ripple effect that eventually destroys the New Testament -- if one concludes that Moses was a fictional character, for example, who did Peter, James and John see with Christ at the Transfiguration? Were they lying about the experience? Did Christ lie to them and say it was Moses when he knew that Moses never existed? Jesus and the writers of the New Testament have referred to all of these Old Testament figures in a positive way. A Christian cant have a problem with Moses. Who showed up at Jesus' transfiguration? A Christian cant have a problem with Abraham. Who dd Jesus say rejoiced to see his day"? A Christian cant dismiss Noah was a myth. Who was Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:37? A Christian cant dismiss Melchizedek was a myth. In who's order was Jesus identified as a priest?
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Post by davinci on Mar 24, 2014 14:56:46 GMT -5
If Jesus was God, one would think that he might had emphasized the importance of washing ones hands, after laying hands on the sick, rather than arguing the matter with the Pharisees. How many illnesses were spread by Christians just because they didn't know about germs and hygiene?
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Post by specopsgirls on Mar 25, 2014 1:46:48 GMT -5
... irrelevant and off topic. Address the issues raised. You can't insult someone who didn't exist. And telling the truth isn't insulting. It's just telling the truth.
Large parts of the Abraham story can be disproven. For example ... Abraham couldn't take his troops to Dan .. Dan didn't exist.
Stating that truth doesn't insult Abraham ... It just stating the truth. What is insulting is expecting people to blindly buy into a load of crap simply because YOU buy it. They ARE myths inserted into the bible. Proven myths. Their origins are well known. Taken from the Summerians and 'freely adapted' by the Jews. Fact is fact.
Address the topic .... and I'm not it.
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Post by clueless on Mar 25, 2014 1:53:05 GMT -5
Of course a Christian can do that, Christ's message is basically treat people how you want to be treated...a Christian doesn't have to believe all the nonsense in the bible...because there is a lot of it. FF is right to question If Ab existed considering as she has stated he was written about 1500 years after he supposedly died. Plus Ab to me was a mentally unwell person to me hearing voices to kill your child...that would get you sectioned nowadays and rightly so. Great read flyers.
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Post by anonymoushacker on Mar 25, 2014 1:59:58 GMT -5
well 4 if you now include Brahma.... which I'm definitely going to look into, it's too juicy not too!
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Post by counterstrike69 on Mar 25, 2014 2:07:16 GMT -5
Then you cant claim to follow a "god" (Jesus) who spoke of that someone who - according to you, didn't exist.
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Post by wondergirl on Mar 25, 2014 2:57:30 GMT -5
Imagine I'm telling a someone a story today and I say "the Indians lived in New York before they were butchered by white men"
Now, you'd be right in saying, "hang on, New York didn't exist back then" - but I'd reply that I only said 'New York' so that the person I was telling the story to had a reference point for the story, regardless of what the Indians called that place during their time there.
Isn't this feasible with too with the area know as Dan during the documentation?
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Post by specopsgirls on Mar 25, 2014 3:59:16 GMT -5
Yep. Look backwards .. the common thread ... each one takes from the previous and twists it ..
Islam took from Christianity and twisted it to fit it's agenda. Christianity took from Judaism (and Buddhism) and twisted it to fit it's agenda. Judaism took from the Vedics ... who took from the Zoroastrians (2000 BC)... ... who took from the Summerians.
All roads lead back to the Summerians (4000 bc) The common themes are there ... just the words used are a bit different each generation.
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