Post by lucky4u on Mar 8, 2014 15:17:38 GMT -5
Greets, I did not come to argue. If you have your strongly entreched beliefs I respect them.
Of course you could have used that same chapter of John and really showed us what it says about God, namely that no one has ever seen him:
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
And since John wrote that after Jesus had died and went to heaven, we know that Jesus wasn't God, for John wasn't lying, and he was a very close friend of Jesus, who saw him on many occasions.
In fact he called Jesus the only-begotten. Someone who is begotten is created.
It is hard to let go of wrong teachings. But a love of God's word will let us let go of pride, and hatred of truth. Love of God and his word will let us accept it for what it is, the truth. You see even you are tested as to where your heart lies. In pagan myths taught as truth, or in the word of God. You have the option to decide what you choose to believe.
Just a couple of other scriptures for thought. Jesus was lead into the wilderness after he was baptized to be tempted. Now we both know God cannot be tempted for scripture states:
"When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." - James 1:13.
Jehovah cannot be tempted with evil, we know this. Yet Jesus was tempted three times by the Devil. One of these temptations was to bow down and worship him. Also Satan offered all the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus if he would worship him. Yet Jesus rejected Satan and said that he would only worship his Father Jehovah:
(Matthew 4:8-10) . . .Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
We both know that Jesus could not have been God. We both know that God could not have been tempted with something he already owned. We both know that God could not be tempted to worship anyone. And we both know that God cannot be tempted with evil. Yet Jesus his son was. (We both also know that no one can ever see God.)
Also, something else to think about. Who can God learn obedience to? Nothing, for he is Almighty, he is the Supreme, from everlasting to everlasting, needing nothing. It is by means of him that all things have come into existence and were created.
Yet we both know that Jesus learned obedience to God, by the things he suffered:
(Hebrews 5:8) . . .Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.
These three things are undeniable. We both know what scripture states. But why is it that even when you see it, some cannot accept the word of truth, but have to hold on to false religious lies?
That is wherein lies the beauty of God's word. For it reveals to you who you are. You cannot accept it, or understand it, if you have not the correct heart condition.
(Matthew 11:25) . . .“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes."
(Hebrews 4:12) . . .For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.
Of course you could have used that same chapter of John and really showed us what it says about God, namely that no one has ever seen him:
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
And since John wrote that after Jesus had died and went to heaven, we know that Jesus wasn't God, for John wasn't lying, and he was a very close friend of Jesus, who saw him on many occasions.
In fact he called Jesus the only-begotten. Someone who is begotten is created.
It is hard to let go of wrong teachings. But a love of God's word will let us let go of pride, and hatred of truth. Love of God and his word will let us accept it for what it is, the truth. You see even you are tested as to where your heart lies. In pagan myths taught as truth, or in the word of God. You have the option to decide what you choose to believe.
Just a couple of other scriptures for thought. Jesus was lead into the wilderness after he was baptized to be tempted. Now we both know God cannot be tempted for scripture states:
"When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." - James 1:13.
Jehovah cannot be tempted with evil, we know this. Yet Jesus was tempted three times by the Devil. One of these temptations was to bow down and worship him. Also Satan offered all the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus if he would worship him. Yet Jesus rejected Satan and said that he would only worship his Father Jehovah:
(Matthew 4:8-10) . . .Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
We both know that Jesus could not have been God. We both know that God could not have been tempted with something he already owned. We both know that God could not be tempted to worship anyone. And we both know that God cannot be tempted with evil. Yet Jesus his son was. (We both also know that no one can ever see God.)
Also, something else to think about. Who can God learn obedience to? Nothing, for he is Almighty, he is the Supreme, from everlasting to everlasting, needing nothing. It is by means of him that all things have come into existence and were created.
Yet we both know that Jesus learned obedience to God, by the things he suffered:
(Hebrews 5:8) . . .Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.
These three things are undeniable. We both know what scripture states. But why is it that even when you see it, some cannot accept the word of truth, but have to hold on to false religious lies?
That is wherein lies the beauty of God's word. For it reveals to you who you are. You cannot accept it, or understand it, if you have not the correct heart condition.
(Matthew 11:25) . . .“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes."
(Hebrews 4:12) . . .For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.