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Post by ispyi on Mar 10, 2014 14:04:26 GMT -5
But this is my point, if I told you I have been sent here by God to warn you of following the Bible because it's false, you'd just laugh at me. However, you're willing to trust whoever wrote the bible... because why? But they're not infallible, there are so many contradictions in the Bible. On top of that there is plenty of evidence that words have been changed and altered to better suit peoples needs, for example, King Henry VIII who changed the Bible so he could divorce and then marry as many more times as he wanted.
What makes you think they are truth, "as they so rightly claim"? You should accept everything I am saying, just as truthfully as the word of God.
Just because a man has said that, does not make it true. In fact it's quite scary that someone can just say "believe me like I am God" and you do, does it not scare you that a MAN has that power over you?)
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Post by lucky4u on Mar 11, 2014 5:41:56 GMT -5
Actually, again there is no error, or contradiction. You see the Jewish day started in the evening, and they worked on a lunar calender. The first month on the lunar calender was Nisan, and started on the new moon. The full moon, or 14 days later marked the middle of the month. Passover is on Nisan 14 (our March/April). It started in the evening and ended the following evening. So all the events transpired on the day of Passover, including the last supper, Jesus' arrest, illegal trial through the night, his being lead before Pilate, and his hanging.
Again this just shows a crass lack of understanding of the Bible, and ancient culture. Now are you sure you're the one that is making up these very twisted versions of so-called contradictions, or have you been spoon-fed these by someone else, who either knows no better (because they really didn't study) or are purposefully lying to you.
Now if you are really the one that is coming up with all of these (which I have heard a hundred times over), which I find it hard to believe. Why have you not done better investigation, or why are you purposefully distorting things? I wish to believe you have no clue, and are honestly copying these misguided statements.
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Post by mranderson on Mar 11, 2014 6:06:32 GMT -5
"lucky4u" is correct. He didn't misunderstand anything.
You messed up the punctuation. It isn't 'truly I tell you today, ... you will be with me in paradise.
The quote is ... 'truly I tell you, .... today you will be with me in paradise."
"lucky4u" is correct. You are wrong.
No one is 'sleeping in the tomb'. Souls have moved on to where ever they are going.
Jesus said He'd be in Heaven THAT DAY and so would the 'good thief' (called St. Dismas by many Christians).
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Post by purplehazeleyes on Mar 11, 2014 7:05:06 GMT -5
Agreed.
Like people thinking the earth is literally 6,000 years old because that's what the bible says. That's a stumbling block to reality.
May I add - A lot of the error problem is on the reader - those who read the Old Testament as literal truth when in fact a lot of it is folklore and mythology and never happened. Many are fictional stories with moral teachings ... like a kids bedtime story. Totally made up but with a 'lesson'. Like Noahs Ark. Like Adam and Eve. Proven as total myths. Exodus is folklore. There were some actual events but nothing even close to what is stated in the Old Testament. Far from it.
Readers don't look at scripture with a critical eye. It's like they are afraid of offending God or they are afraid of the truth not matching their belief system. Or both. Take Joshua for example. The bible paints him as a hero of God. But look at his actions. He was a terrorist. He went on murdering rampages against people who didn't believe in God like he did ... and he would level peaceful cities, killing every man, woman, child, and animal. And then he'd leave the city a bloodbath. He didn't even take over the city and settle in it. He just left 'ghost towns'. Obviously the story of Joshua was written by his followers and they painted him as a hero of their God. I'm sure those peaceful people who were slaughtered by him would have written a different story if they had survived.
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Post by fr33dom on Mar 11, 2014 7:29:00 GMT -5
This thread fails to take into account that many of the things and actions mentioned in the bible have no to very little evidence suggesting they even happened. Some of these events like the Exodus of Moses should have boatlaods of evidence supporting it. Why is there no evidence of a large group of people wondering the desert for 40 years? That's a long time. Like people could raise 2 generations of children who grew up in the desert, yet there is literally no evidence of this happening.
Noah's ark is another example of this. The dimensions of the ark are listed in the bible, yet we KNOW for a fact that a wooden ship the size of the ark is an engineering impossibility. It would fall apart as soon as it was put in the water.
To hell with the contradictions. They are just the icing on the cake of the failings of the bible. When the accounts of the bible don't even match up with the historical record, it is wrong. End of story.
ETA: The passages in the bible talking about how there will be an assault on God and believers before the end times is just a last ditch effort of propaganda for Christianity to maintain relevency as people move on to other belief systems. The peoe who wrote the bible aren't stupid. They were aware that many religions came and went before Christianity. Therefore people would eventually move on to other belief systems and leave Christianity behind. What better way to keep the waning faith, but to scare them into continuing to believe?
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Post by fr33dom on Mar 11, 2014 7:57:36 GMT -5
incorrect again....
Read the passage in John 19 for a bit of clarity... And I know how the jews kept time... thanks
In Mark it is the day of Passover, after eating the Passover meal... he is arrested, spends the night in Jail and "straight away in the morning he goes to trial and is crucified ON PASSOVER... In John he is killed BEFORE passover
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
IT clearly says it was the day OF PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER... and in the previous book Jesus died on the day OF PASSOVER...
Now you're just blatantly lying to cover your own lack of knowledge... Gonna have to disagree with you again... read the passages instead of looking for excuses for the clear contradictions you believe whatever you want to believe... IF you've heard all of these before you'd have a better explanation for it instead of "attempting" to turn it back on me and what I know of the bible...
Typical Fundy Christian tactics...
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