|
Post by hitman on Mar 8, 2014 18:18:48 GMT -5
You don't need to ask the Lord to prove anything, you need to question a book, written by men, actually POWERFUL men, before you go preaching, ranting and raving about every word and hidden meaning in it. It's not the word of God or the word of Jesus, it is stories, written by men long after his death.
What I'm getting at is, the Bible is fantastic for basic morals, even for learning of the existence of Jesus. However you can not find God in any earthly book, you find him in yourself, you are his creation and you have been (supposedly) created in his image, shouldn't we look for Him within ourselves rather than in a very unreliable book that has been proved wrong countless times? Only men can be proved wrong which just proves the bible is not words from God.
You need to find God on your own terms, not on someone else's just because they wrote a book about it.
|
|
|
Post by networksolutions on Mar 8, 2014 18:51:26 GMT -5
There are two books that reveal God. The first is the book of creation. By observing creation we can learn much about him, his fathomless wisdom, his awesome power, his foresight, understanding and knowledge, are all perceived in his creation.
But there are things you cannot learn by looking at creation. That is why the Creator, who loves us, and is the essence of love, has, in his time, inspired humans to write his thoughts down, and he has seen to it that they have been preserved.
So while, you can learn some about God on your own, by reflection and meditation on the world around you. You cannot learn everything you need to know. Of course, we will never ever know all there is to know about him, and even what we do know about him is just but the fringes of his ways, we can get to know him by reading the scriptures he inspired. The fact that they are infallible prove that no mere human was behind the authorship of the divine scriptures of truth, just as they rightly claim:
(1 Thessalonians 2:13) . . ., YOU accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God. . .
(2 Peter 1:20, 21) . . .For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.
|
|
TheMarkFrost
Administrator
Uncovering The Inconvenient Truth
Posts: 241
|
Post by TheMarkFrost on Mar 8, 2014 19:01:25 GMT -5
A book that goes directly against itself within its own passages is not a good book by which to base your understanding of the world, or your hope of salvation.
|
|
|
Post by pimpsmackyou on Mar 8, 2014 19:13:30 GMT -5
Agreed. That is another proof that the Bible is not of human origin.
The fact that over 42 different writers, from all walks of life, over a span of more than 2,000 years were able to all write a complete work that is completely harmonious is a strong proof of its divine nature.
Even today, human knowledge changes on a daily basis, and you would not be able to get two people in the same field to write about something and agree completely upon it. Let alone over a span of decades, or centuries. It is an impossibility that it could have been done by human origin over a span of thousands of years.
An no human knowledge has ever disproved anything God has inspired. Rather his words have stood the test of time.
|
|
|
Post by missionximpossible on Mar 8, 2014 19:40:03 GMT -5
"they" do not claim to be infallible...
Nor are the scriptures even close to the word infallible...
That is something you've been taught by a preacher... and its a lie
|
|
|
Post by Olivia on Mar 9, 2014 2:02:02 GMT -5
Agreed. That is another proof that the Bible is not of human origin.
The fact that over 42 different writers, from all walks of life, over a span of more than 2,000 years were able to all write a complete work that is completely harmonious is a strong proof of its divine nature.
Even today, human knowledge changes on a daily basis, and you would not be able to get two people in the same field to write about something and agree completely upon it. Let alone over a span of decades, or centuries. It is an impossibility that it could have been done by human origin over a span of thousands of years.
An no human knowledge has ever disproved anything God has inspired. Rather his words have stood the test of time.
|
|
|
Post by redsoxfan on Mar 9, 2014 2:08:14 GMT -5
"they" do not claim to be infallible... Nor are the scriptures even close to the word infallible... That is something you've been taught by a preacher... and its a lie
|
|
|
Post by theconspiracist on Mar 9, 2014 2:28:08 GMT -5
Actually you're making quite a few assumptions there that are inaccurate. But that doesn't really surprise me, just teaches me a little about you.
As far as the scriptures claiming to be the infallible word of God, and your assertion that I was taught this by a preacher, but they do not claim that. Here are a few scriptures you might find enlightening:
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.
(2 Peter 1:20, 21) For YOU know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.
(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity,. . .
(2 Samuel 23:2) The spirit of Jehovah it was that spoke by me, And his word was upon my tongue.
(Acts 1:16) “Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled, which the holy spirit spoke beforehand by David’s mouth about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus,
(Acts 28:25) So, because they were at disagreement with one another, they began to depart, while Paul made this one comment: “The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to YOUR forefathers,
(1 Peter 1:11) They kept on investigating what particular season or what sort of [season] the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ when it was bearing witness beforehand about the sufferings for Christ and about the glories to follow these.
(Joel 1:1) The word of Jehovah that occurred to Joel the son of Pe·thu′el:
(Obadiah 1) This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said . . .
(Micah 1:1) 1 The word of Jehovah that occurred to Mi′cah . . .
...and so on and so forth.
|
|
|
Post by superxsoldier on Mar 9, 2014 2:59:53 GMT -5
None of which say the scripture is infallible...
Again, you're just regurgitating what you've been taught...
Do a bit of research, you'll find biblical scripture is far from perfect... very flawed in fact...
Try reading for yourself instead of just reiterating thoughts of others on Christian websites
I'll make it even easier for you since I know most Christians are lazy when it comes to finding flaws in the bible
Just watch the video Wandering scribe posted... and look up the references given...
Should prove my point
|
|
|
Post by illuminati on Mar 9, 2014 3:15:51 GMT -5
You are making more assumptions about me that are inaccurate. But that is okay, I can be patient with you. Why don't you take the time to share with me, one of your proofs that the scriptures are not infallible. One point would suffice it, as you say, one point can prove they are not. I thank you beforehand for doing this.
|
|