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Post by pimpsmackyou on Mar 12, 2014 8:07:38 GMT -5
I tend to agree....militaries in general develop weapons that they forsee needing 10-20 years down the road as practice. Just look at the development of VX gas. WAY ahead of its time but UK forsaw the possible need for it. so they put money into it. The U.S. military "black" budget is just like as was said, non-existant. other than the funds physically given to the people working and to contractors, there are no monies. No paper trail, no questions.
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Post by fr33dom on Mar 12, 2014 10:33:16 GMT -5
You see this ? this is 1955. 1955 people. 53 years ago. FIFTY THREE YEARS AGO. You still kidding your selves that in FIFTY THREE years we still know jack squat about anti gravity and how to use it in craft ?
Source: NEW YORK HERALD-TRIBUNE: Sunday, November 20, 1955
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Post by nsainvader on Mar 12, 2014 10:46:40 GMT -5
Agree. The "Tier" system was used back in the 1990s to identify the early UAV/UCAV developments that we see today. Yes, why would Space Command be flying F-16s in any role and, at that, why the older Block 30s? All F-16s in service today operate under the Air Combat Command, Reserves, National Guard, or NASA to my knowledge. Really? When? Where are the pictures of it? The pilot testimonies from those who operated it? The tech specs regarding the aircraft's construction, propulsion, and performance. None? Oh, well, then it's not proven to exist and in all very much liklihood is a fabrication of the imagination from a misunderstanding a decade-plus past.
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Post by crimsontide on Mar 12, 2014 11:01:37 GMT -5
"And no you don't have a friend that is an "insider" on one of these "ultra black" projects. Why? because it's part of their Non-Disclosure Agreement they have. There is no "government insider here" as much as some on ATS.com have tried to tell people they have for the sake of attention or what not." ---
Oh.My.Gawd!
Have you EVER BEEN in ANY Compartmentalized or Special Access Program? The leaks can be HORRENDOUS and a damn B**** to plug.
Contractors, Administrators, The DAMN 3 & 4 Start Generals!, etc. The easiest to keep quiet are the scientists and R&D personnel themselves because most of them LOVE their work and would HATE to be booted off their own projects because of an indiscretion on their part. A simple written reprimand and stark reminder of their duties usually does the trick.
99% of leaks are from loosely affiliated project officers or materials contractors, that although may not know the full details of a CAP or SAP project, know enough to "theorize" or to infer further details of said program. Enough alcohol or a small "club" gathering and loose lips start talking and usually embellished details get sputtered out.
They don't call Aviation Week magazine "Aviation Leak" for nothing! you would be surprised at what a good steak barbecue and some beer will do for the commercial intelligence insiders from magazines, blogs, etc.
Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't! But the mere fact that a program exists is an intelligence nightmare but is not an easy fix without some dis-information work.
Firing someone in MOST cases is the worst thing to do unless the violation is so blatant that SOMETHING must be done.
In most cases, a written reprimand, a reasonable but stinging monetary fine and a VERY SERIOUS 4 hour GRILLING by a 250 lbs, 6'3" Clad-in-All-Black security officer with an unloaded SigSau on the table in a 10x12 mirrored room works wonders on that employee/contractor....they will NEVER tell secrets again!
The problem is with the Mavericks....those civilians who hate authority and although VERY GOOD on a technical project basis, threats don't and won't work on them very well...in fact, the REVENGE factor weighs in heavily on those types and physical coercion usually won't work unless TRUE and OBVIOUS IMMEDIATE BRUTALIZATION is INTENDED and DISPLAYED! By that, I mean, if you say you're gonna shoot him, then you do it RIGHT NOW!!! - IN THE KNEES and then send him to a base infirmary indicating that an accidental base security issue was at play and that this worker/contractor was the unfortunate victim. Only then do they get the message, that you're playing for KEEPS!
These types are the ones that aren't or shouldn't have been HIRED in the first place, but sometimes they somehow get through the screening process anyways, so the best thing is to simply fire them in a clinically administrative manner and remind them that they have signed confidentiality agreements and that lawsuits, fines, prison terms and "Corporate Blacklisting" could be very painful on a financial basis. Since these mavericks are motivated by two things: "Boredom" and "Finances" therefore loss of lucrative contracts and lack of further access to "Cool Projects" can be a good motivator to keep in line.
Reminding them that we don't care what they do and they should just get over it and continue on with their lives in an other capacity is the best approach. Raising their ackles with extreme threats only excacerbates the situation and will cause them to "Go Public" making the case intelligence officer's life more problematic. A simple dismissive, clinical manner can keep the rhetoric down and the ackles of the "Maverick" kept to within acceptable limits.
And if that doesn't work, a good disinformation campaign also works - Written personal & professional attacks and some "Bad Reporting" can work wonders to shredding a reputation!
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Post by nsainvader on Mar 26, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
Agree. The "Tier" system was used back in the 1990s to identify the early UAV/UCAV developments that we see today. One slight correction, the Tier series development craft were ALSO research platforms for advanced coatings and low-return-signature materials development. The butt-ugly whale with the B2 like cockpit being one of them. Wikipedia SourceThe PTB like to use two word non-clemantures to denote. Research aircraft (i.e. Tacit Blue) that explore very explicit areas of R&D versus active platforms that lead to final deployment (aka Senior Citizen) If the codename has a colour in it, it's a specialized R&D craft - If it's a code name with a material name in it or a noun-modifier (Darkstar, Senior Citizen, ??-Diamond) then it's an active platform designed for eventual deployment. Tier series craft are NOT just UAV's but also manned recon and ECM craft exploring optical and audio stealth and active countermeasures. Hope that helps!!!!
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Post by forcereconelite on Mar 31, 2014 16:45:10 GMT -5
If this is true, why didn't they just reproduce a replica of the original roswell craft? Why waste time and money producing the "T-series" craft when we allready had the FTL-saucer technology in our hands?
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